Something I missed:



Scan Block deployable? Did I miss something? When was this announced?

You have more faith in human nature than I do

There is one, but nothing prevents you from using an alt.

Playing devils advocate for CCP....maybe they are doing just that. Consider 2 things, if you will.

1) The main hurdle to improving POS is the legacy code which CCP apparently can't touch, particularly as it applies to the Pos bubble.

2) We get a new bubble (the MSI) which projects a new effect (dscan jamming) over a bubble. This is linked to some new capabilities they've been developing.

Seems to me that these "new capabilities" could be used for removing OGB and a new POS system. Just saying...

A lot of people seem to be missing the point of these.

1) There is NOTHING mandating you put these up! You can simply sacrifice 5% of your income. Ohnoes!!! Now you're making 57m/hour not 60m/hour! The end is nigh, unsubscribe!

2) Have a cloaky alt camp the ESS if you put one up. When an inty comes to try to steal your hard earned cash, kill it! It takes 40 seconds to redeem the tags from the ESS, so you have PLENTY of time to chase off or kill a stationary (or at least super low transversal) inty!

3) ITS A CONFLICT DRIVER! QUIT WHINING!!! Now when you're out roaming drop one of these things and the local carebears can't rat away in anoms until they kill it! If they run anoms you can just steal 20% of their income. If they try to kill it, CONGRATULATIONS, YOU JUST GOT A FIGHT. Additionally, the automatic defensive bubble prevents kiting gangs from coming in at 100km, they start out at 15km away, just like on a gate, giving you a chance to catch something.

I wish we had these in nullsec when I lived there, a three hour roam would end with only killing a cyno-noobship and a whole lot **** talk in local.

And people who haul plexes in noobships don't want to fight either, they want to haul plexes in noobships. What's your point?

Also, if this nerf to nullsec income happens I'm moving to hisec to gank day old noobs till they quit the game. Nerf my income I'll nerf yours.

Based on feedback, we're looking at three things:
- Time to get loot - lot of good points that the time needs to be increased
- Interceptors too good - we're looking at ways to decrease the efficiency of using an interceptor to steal
- Too effective as warp bubble - we're looking at making it less viable

Thanks for the feedback so far. Any test feedback from Sisi would also be much appreciated.

It-¦s not going to happen in 1.1, but might in the future. Possibly also if we do meta-versions later that change security level restrictions and/or payout values.

They're seeded on market same as the first version.

Facepalm. There is no incentive for nullbears to fight. Look, the deployment of these will be banned by all major alliances and even if they aren't, ratters wont deploy them. Putting this in your system is an open invite for hostiles to disrupt your ratting activities. People don't want hostiles in their ratting system, they want to rat. People don't want to do emergency PvP in their ratting system, they want to PvP in a properly organized fleet and on a roam. There is no chance that these will be deployed by any locals in a ratting system.

If a hostile comes to deploy this, ratters will remain docked as always until the gang moves on and gets bored. They either scoop their ESS and take it with them or it will get blown up in 30 seconds after they are gone and before any ratting starts.

If a forced fight is what you are looking for a module already exists for this, its called an SBU.

http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon/features/encounter-surveillance-system/
I think all speculation that CCP may can the idea just flew out the window.

Farms and fields. I hope CCP was somewhat prepared for the resistance by nullbears once it became more than an empty slogan :-P

Then by all means don't use it. But don't whine and ***** about it as well. If the module isn't used at all, CCP will have to revisit it in spring. And if you're concerned about your income, then either use it or do one more site a week.

If you see potential in the idea behind it, suggest spme improvements. Nuff said.

Here's a quick update on the changes we've made to the ESS, based on testing and feedback. There is a dev blog coming out tomorrow detailing these (and other changes) to the deployables in 1.1, but here's a basic overview.

Additions/edit
* With an active ESS in system, bounties pay out LP in addition to normal ISK reward. LP reward starts at 0.15 LP per 1000 ISK and can increase to 0.2 LP per 1000 ISK as the bonus payout increases. As an example, a bounty worth 1 million ISK (total) gives between 150 and 200 LPs, based on payout level. This is to address the risk vs. reward concerns. Thanks to those that suggested using LPs instead of ISK for balance.
* There is now no timer to open the ESS window where the player gets to choose to Share or Take all, but both options now have separate timers on them. Share has 20 seconds, Take all has 180 seconds. Moving out of range while the timer is ongoing resets the timer. This is to reduce the feasibility of having an alt sit at the ESS and quickly empty the pool when someone shows up.
* Interacting with the ESS now puts a warp disruption effect on the ship interacting with it. Ships immune to bubbles are not immune to this effect. This is to reduce the feasibility of using ships immune to bubbles for stealing purposes.

Also, some of the stats have changed:
* Price lowered from 30 million to 25 million
* Hit points increased from 150k to 250k
* Volume increased from 150 to 200
* Increased minimum range from stargates/stations to 3000 km, from 300.
* Activation time increased to 120 seconds, up from 60 seconds

Some of these changes are already out on Sisi, the rest should be there soon. Thank you all for your feedback.

Yeah, you're kinda fighting against windmills here.

First of all: donGÇÿt you see that itGÇÿs all the more seducing to use this module, the more nullsec alliances are trying to boycott it? Because if nobody BUT ME uses it, the better for me! Cause IGÇÿm earning additional LP now, and you donGÇÿt.

Second, the LP payout itself seems to be quite okay. Assuming a nullbear now earns 30m ISK for each hour ratting, after the change the following will happen:

NO ESS DEPLOYED
Direkt ISK income nerfed to 28.5m ISK.
No additional benefits or frills.

ESS DEPLOYED
Direkt ISK income lowered to 24m ISK.
Additional 3,600 to 4,800 LP directly to LP wallet.
6-7.5m ISK go into ESS.

Given current navy LP values (c. 800 ISK/LP) this sums up to c. 32.9m to 35.3m, depending on how long the ESS has been deployed and not cashed out. This is a potential buff of 9.7 to 17.7 percent to nullbear income.

But most important of all: this ratter will potentially earn 25% more than a ratter who doesn't deploy an ESS. ThatGÇÿs kind of a motivation :D

Rubicon 1.2:
- Sleepers no longer drop databases
- New deployable. Has a chance to download databases from defeated sleepers in system. Has no effect if the wormhole does not have an active connection to K-space. Wormholes involved cannot be end of life or shrunk due to mass. They must have relay deployables anchored in every system along the path, including the first k-space system. The relays show globally on the overview, immediately alerting travelers that someone down the chain is ratting. Exciting Pvpve encounters are sure to follow.